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Question J3.3.6 Category Title Duplicating

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5 years 1 month ago #69 by Laurie
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Are you out there Michael?

At the Canberra JUG meeting the other day you mentioned the problems with J3.3.6. I didn't get to find out what those problems are.

I'm currently having a battle with a 3.3.6 site. With a Category Blog layout, the Category Title as a page heading either comes as two repeats or none.



I've spent half of the day trying to get to the bottom of this but can't. I struck the same problem before, on a J2.5 site, and fixed it but this time I'm beat and I'm starting to think there's something wrong with J3.3.6. I wonder if this is on your list.

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5 years 4 weeks ago - 5 years 4 weeks ago #71 by sozzled
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Laurie wrote: I'm currently having a battle with a 3.3.6 site. With a Category Blog layout, the Category Title as a page heading either comes as two repeats or none.

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I'm starting to think there's something wrong with J3.3.6. I wonder if this is on your list.

Thanks for sharing this, Laurie. In truth, there are "enough" things on my [black]list of Joomla issues that I am extremely wary of this particular version. Ever since problems started with J! 3.3.4 (and these problems were only further compounded in J! 3.3.5—and that's one reason why Joomla quickly brought out J! 3.3.6) I have kept things simple by remaining at J! 3.3.3. J! 3.3.6 is a little better than J! 3.3.4 but, still, things are far from ideal. I understand that the Joomla teams are working on J! 3.3.7 but who know when they will release it.

The two main problems—and there are quite a few—with J! 3.3.6 affect the ability to save your module configuration settings and pagination.

There are a couple of issues with saving module settings. One issue is that, after creating a new module and saving its settings, you can't go back later, edit the settings, and save them again. You cannot "save as copy". This may be a piece of Joomla folklore. I can say, from first-hand experience using J! 3.3.6, that I was forced into rolling back to J! 3.3.3 in order to be able to perform this simple administration task. Other people may have different tales. I'm just giving you the benefit of my own experience.

The bigger of these two problems affects pagination. For example, suppose you have a menu item that displays articles that span several pages (e.g. pages [1] [2] [3] ... [n]) and a site visitor goes to page 2 or later. People have found that they cannot return to page 1. This is discussed in https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/pull/4393/files . I understand the fix will be applied in J! 3.3.7. This problem does not only affect Joomla articles, either. It also affects Kunena and other Joomla extensions that utilise Joomla's pagination functionality.

In connection with the specific problem you mentioned that causes the category name to be repeated, it's a curious problem that I suspect is not related to a specific version of Joomla but, more likely to be, a case involving your category and/or article options. The Joomla article management area in the backend is a bit of a dark art.

Article layout is controlled by a mixture (a mish-mash) of menu options, article options and category options. Indeed, when I have built Joomla websites and added articles, I have spent hours tweaking all of these settings to get the outcome I wanted. I have to confess that I do not often use the "Category blog" layout and it may take me some time experimenting with the various option settings that I've just referred to (in passing). Perhaps someone else may have a few ideas that may help.

Depending on the urgency of solving this need, we can wait to see what else others may advise in your particular case, or you could write to me and we might be able to get a handle on the problem by talking things through directly.

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5 years 4 weeks ago #72 by Laurie
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Thanks for that Michael.

As a temporary measure I've found I can bodgy it in by turning the Category Title off and putting an equivalent h1 heading in the Category Description.

Not all that satisfactory but it will get me out of trouble in the short term.

I'll email you when I have a few spare minutes.

Thanks.

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5 years 4 weeks ago - 5 years 4 weeks ago #73 by Laurie
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I found an interesting, relevant post on a RocketTheme forum during my research. I'm using Gantry template.

The OP asked about my problem. He said the problem is fixed when he changes to Protostar template so it must be a Gantry problem.



The respondent said he tried it on Beez 3 and the problem was still there so it must be a Joomla problem; take it up with Joomla.

I did my own tests on a trial site and, sure enough it's OK on Protostar but not Gantry or Beez 3.

These are all well renowned templates. Beez 3, which is flawed, and Protostar, which is OK are part of the Joomla core.

In my fiddling, using Gantry, I added the blog title, Blog, to the category description and styled it h1. I Changed the menu item title to Blog M and changed the Category title to Blog C.

When I go to Article Manager>Options>Category Title and select Show, both the menu item title and category title show. If I select Hide they both disappear.

When I go to Menu Manager>Options>Show Page Heading, whether I select show or hide makes no difference and entering an alternative page heading doesn't have any affect. This seems to be where the problem is.

I conclude that there's either a problem with J3.3.6 hooking up with Gantry and Beez 3 templates or a problem with Beez 3 and Gantry hooking up J3.3.6.

I suppose the answer is that in the next Joomla version Beez 3 should be fixed and Gantry, and maybe a lot of other templates, should be fixed. The other alternative is to fix Joomla in the next version. None of that helps me right now.
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