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5 years 5 months ago - 5 years 5 months ago #25 by sozzled
This site is in response to a request made to me at the meeting of the Canberra Joomla Users Group in May 2014.

I built this website to establish two things:

(1) That we demonstrate the power of Joomla to people in Canberra who are interested in learning about Joomla and promoting its use; and

(2) That we make our own home (free of other constraints), to collect together in a single presence, to share our thoughts and ideas about how we can better assist others to encourage the use of the Joomla CMS.

This site can only develop with your input, with your ideas and with your suggestions. The site you see today may assist our purpose or it can be developed to grow to better assist our purposes. The site should not be seen as one or two people doing things in isolation from the rest of the community but, rather, that it is though sharing and expressing our ideas that we can achieve better things together.

I welcome all ideas, suggestions, comments and criticisms from others in the group to see what we can do together. It is my belief that a site like this will benefit our small group and encourage others to join and build a community. If you would like to input your ideas or comments, please do so. It only takes a moment to register at the site and submit your views in this topic.

Thank you. :)

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5 years 4 months ago #26 by Marcel
Hi Sozzled, great intro, btw, having problems voting on the Poll above.

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5 years 4 months ago #33 by sozzled

Marcel wrote: Hi Sozzled, great intro, btw, having problems voting on the Poll above.

Hmmm ... thanks. Maybe I time-limited the poll and, maybe the time has expired? I'll check.

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5 years 4 months ago #34 by sozzled
Good catch. I had set the expiry date for voting to midnight 5 August. I have now extended the voting period to coincide with the "trial period" we discussed (6 months from now) as midnight on 1 February 2015. So, you should be good to go with voting now.

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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #35 by Laurie
G'day Sozzled and others!

Just a few observations and some thoughts (not assertions) following my first Canberra JUG meeting last night.

* Seems to me that we have a website with two aspects that I can identify:

1) An online repository for great resources. I wonder if it would have been possible to record last night's SEF talk with a screen recorder to publish in the repository. Provided the presenter doesn't have a problem with this, it would be a valuable resource.

2) An online forum (Kunena, of course). As I understand it, this is for general discussion and questions and answers around Joomla.

I think the term I'm looking for is a focus group: a private and non indexed group of members where things can be discussed that we wouldn't want a potential client being privy to. I'm suggesting this as an extra, or maybe it's what is envisaged anyway.

* I think Rene made a good point that over some time she hasn't been able to get content to post on the Australian JUG site so asks will content become available for this website.

* I see two non conflicting ideas being contrasted against each other:

1) We've agreed to give the site six months trial. I guess that means that at the end of the trial period we evaluate the success of otherwise of the project. It either succeeds, fails or struggles.

If it succeeds or fails, the trial results are conclusive and we'll know what to do. If it struggles, maybe we can reassess the strategy.

2) Michael needs feedback by the end of the week, not in order to determine the fate of the site but to know what the group sees as the needs and the way forward. I guess he'll then need more feedback by the end of next week and so on. As we walked out through the car park, Michael made it clear that he's not going to drive the site alone. I't needs to be the group's site and the group's responsibility.

I suppose the site would be settling down toward the third month, giving the stable edition three months to prove it's viability.

* I here people say that by having a good Joomla help forum we may grow the group. One thing to consider is that the web is worldwide.

While helping people around the world won't grow the group, it sure will help people.

If canberra and joomla keywords are targeted, then maybe we'll get some new Canberra people. We won't get many from as far away as Bega. On the other hand, I'm doubtful of this. The Australian JUG site targets canberra and joomla and doesn't send an overwhelming number of new members this way.

We all know the old web building myth: Just build it and they'll come. Well the truth is: You've got to be scratching where it's itching. The question is: How many Joomla users are out there around Canberra and Queenbeyan? How would you asses this anyway? A story in the Canberra newspaper perhaps?

* The expense of running a website came up and fifty cents was mentioned.

With most any group, there is a core of committed members. Maybe there would be ten members who'd be willing to throw in $15 each. That would pay for the domain and hosting for a year. Siteground shared hosting is reasonably priced and adequate.

There would be then no good reason to prevent responsible web developers from having control panel access.

* Monetizing the site was mentioned, maybe facetiously, but maybe not such a bad idea.

Affiliate links for some recommended hosting and some extensions. We need make only $150 a year to fund the site.

* Here's an idea that I plan to give a try for myself:
I've recently been struggling with a couple of extensions. I found the developers docs and forums not all that helpful, partly because the search didn't get me what I needed or made it pretty hard to find.

In desperation I went to my good friend Google and found what I needed on the developers sites. I don't know why they can't organize their content such that their own search will show it up.

I plan on creating Google Custom Search Engines for each extension developer and put them on a spare bit of web space for private use, maybe even on a public site.

If this works, it may be the go for the Canberra JUG site, along with a review or tutorial of the extension.

Maybe individuals could submit a limited Custom SE to the repository but it may be better if the group had control.

Ah well, that's enough for a newbie! Please don't think you need to humor me. I'd rather see robust consideration or straight out rejection of the ideas.

And, ya know, the amount of response to this will be a good, early indication of whether or not the site has a future. ;)

Best wishes,
Laurie.
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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #36 by sozzled
Thanks for the feedback, Laurie.

There's a lot here for us to digest but I would like to canvass one or two matters briefly:

As far as the cost of setting up this trial site is concerned, I was happy to do it as a "labour of love" and the deep affection I have for the Canberra Joomla community who have - in my very humble opininion - been poorly catered to by the broader Australian Joomla "entity". This is not to say that I do not believe that the Australian Joomla website is inappropriate; it's just that (by any reasonable person's view of the JoomlaOz site) it's lacking in features and facilities that empower the "little guy" - people like you and me - who want to chime in their two-cents' worth about what's happening in "far-off Canberra" where (I guess) people have a different perspective on who we are and what we do.

So, in response to offers to subsidise the running costs - especially as we're taking this idea very slowly (and it's taken a lot of effort to get this far) - I really want to emphasise that I don't want compensation at this time. Really, when people understand that the effort I've put it was motivated only by my desire to help, the idea of being "financially compensated" for my time - given voluntarily, without anticipation of "reward" - is actually distasteful to me.

Secondly, in relation to site management and security, I am in the process of developing a risk assessment analysis. While, on the one hand, it may be reasonable to suggest that there may be "no good reason to prevent responsible web developers from having control panel access", there are valid reasons why this is not a good idea. As some of you may know, I am able to manage the Kunena website - I have super user and cPanel access - but it may surprise you to know that no-one in the Kunena project has FTP access. I rarely use my cPanel access in connection with the Kunena site and only after getting approval from the other two people who also have cPanel access.

Enough (from me) on this for now - I don't want to take too much time discussing these issues at this time or preventing others having their say - but I assure you that we should give your suggestions careful consideration and respond when when we have the time.

Cheers, and many thanks.

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4 years 6 months ago #98 by sozzled
I have been a little busy this past week (as you can probably see if you look a the forum template). I've also written a couple of Joomla modules (and had them listed on the Joomla Extensions Directory ). So, does this make me a "published author"?

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4 years 6 months ago #99 by Laurie
Well, it does look a little different! ;)

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